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Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 15:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 30/07/2003 15:34:45 Skirmishes in Venal: MDW "sources" indicate that a couple of "small scale skirmishes" took place in Venal during which a total of three battleships were lost. These included a TTi Apocalypse-Class Battleship piloted by "Tolstoy" and a, as yet unidentified, Dominix-Class Battleship belonging to others in the VA. TTi also suffered the loss of a number of Cruiser-Class ships but suceeded in destroying the Scorpion-Class Batttleship of pilot "Shollos" from the piratical m0o-corporation. All sides reported high levels of "galactic radiation" causing delays to ship controls. Perhaps most interesting was that TTi could only muster two battleship-class ships in what must surely now be regarded as "their back yard." - - - The "Venal Alliance" is a piratical Alliance that claims sovereignity over the Venal regions and includes the "Mega-Corp" of TTi as one of its constinuent members. "m0o-corp" are self-styled "pseudo-anarchic pirates" who recognise no boundaries and no sovereignity.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 15:33:00 - [2] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 30/07/2003 15:34:45 Skirmishes in Venal: MDW "sources" indicate that a couple of "small scale skirmishes" took place in Venal during which a total of three battleships were lost. These included a TTi Apocalypse-Class Battleship piloted by "Tolstoy" and a, as yet unidentified, Dominix-Class Battleship belonging to others in the VA. TTi also suffered the loss of a number of Cruiser-Class ships but suceeded in destroying the Scorpion-Class Batttleship of pilot "Shollos" from the piratical m0o-corporation. All sides reported high levels of "galactic radiation" causing delays to ship controls. Perhaps most interesting was that TTi could only muster two battleship-class ships in what must surely now be regarded as "their back yard." - - - The "Venal Alliance" is a piratical Alliance that claims sovereignity over the Venal regions and includes the "Mega-Corp" of TTi as one of its constinuent members. "m0o-corp" are self-styled "pseudo-anarchic pirates" who recognise no boundaries and no sovereignity.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 16:17:00 - [3] OoC: @Berd and to all TTi - please stop playing the "injured and aggrieved misunderstood party whom the big bad press is out too get"... it is truly pathetic. If youa re going to play this role then at least ROLEPLAY it ftlog. - - fwiw I received 7 eve-mails detailing events in Venal. 3 from TTi; the first of which claimed 3 m0o battleships were destroyed by TTi for the loss of no ships at all. The other two also claimed no losses to TTi battleships but only claimed 1 m0o ship killed. A different source from within the VA gave me the details above AND those details were identically corroborated by a source in m0o. If you happen to have a better way of corroborating the events then feel free to suggest them - otherwise take the "attitude" elsewhere. A "biased" report would have read; "TTi lies exposed in claims of 3 m0o battleships destroyed for no losses!" Would that suit you better?
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 16:17:00 - [4] OoC: @Berd and to all TTi - please stop playing the "injured and aggrieved misunderstood party whom the big bad press is out too get"... it is truly pathetic. If youa re going to play this role then at least ROLEPLAY it ftlog. - - fwiw I received 7 eve-mails detailing events in Venal. 3 from TTi; the first of which claimed 3 m0o battleships were destroyed by TTi for the loss of no ships at all. The other two also claimed no losses to TTi battleships but only claimed 1 m0o ship killed. A different source from within the VA gave me the details above AND those details were identically corroborated by a source in m0o. If you happen to have a better way of corroborating the events then feel free to suggest them - otherwise take the "attitude" elsewhere. A "biased" report would have read; "TTi lies exposed in claims of 3 m0o battleships destroyed for no losses!" Would that suit you better?
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 16:50:00 - [5] IC: <<< Only a couple of corporations within the Venal Alliance engage in piracy >>> I dont care if only 1 Corporation engages in open piracy - it has pirates as welcome members and is therefore a Piratical Alliance. It is an Alliance with Pirates. Fact. Live with it and don't try to sugar-coat it. As it happens it is more than one corporation and if the VA isnt piratical it might want to reconsider having: "Paid Visitor Passes (Expire): NO SUCH THING Pirate them or otherwise remove them from region" stuck on their Neocom site. Honestly some people.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 16:50:00 - [6] IC: <<< Only a couple of corporations within the Venal Alliance engage in piracy >>> I dont care if only 1 Corporation engages in open piracy - it has pirates as welcome members and is therefore a Piratical Alliance. It is an Alliance with Pirates. Fact. Live with it and don't try to sugar-coat it. As it happens it is more than one corporation and if the VA isnt piratical it might want to reconsider having: "Paid Visitor Passes (Expire): NO SUCH THING Pirate them or otherwise remove them from region" stuck on their Neocom site. Honestly some people.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 16:52:00 - [7] Quote: No e-mail claiming such was sent, Would you like to explain how you can tell the contents of my in-box - or would you just like to retract from your "omipotent" knowledge of every single TTi members eve-mails, or lack of them? Hmm - I wonder.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 16:52:00 - [8] Quote: No e-mail claiming such was sent, Would you like to explain how you can tell the contents of my in-box - or would you just like to retract from your "omipotent" knowledge of every single TTi members eve-mails, or lack of them? Hmm - I wonder.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:02:00 - [9] Arathmon - thanks for that, i take it you missed the RP element of the game entirely?
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:02:00 - [10] Arathmon - thanks for that, i take it you missed the RP element of the game entirely?
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 30/07/2003 17:15:16 Gaelen Thank you for that. I am glad to see you totally corroborate my statements that m0o lost one battleship, TTi lost one battleship, that a third "unknown" battleship was destroyed and that a number of cruisers were also lost. Having totally corroborated my entire release i am thus bewildered by your claim of "bias". Unfortunately you didn't actually state that you witnessed all of these events first hand - so I must ask you to retract them all unless you can provide clear proof of your witnessing them - and not just going off the "entirely unbiased" opinions and posts of other VA and TTi members? Hmm... hmm? Not too mention of ocurse that your own position remains entirely biased - being a sided member of TTi and a cohort of pirates. hmm..hmm?? - - - As to your claim that the Venal Alliance is not an Alliance with Pirates: Please feel free to explain why The Venal Alliance, that openly has self-admitted pirates as members, is not an Alliance with Pirates. Forgive my utter and total confusion with this, because, for the life of me, I cannot see how an alliance with pirates is NOT a piratical alliance. Did I just miss a change in definitions somewhere? Or was it the bit on the Neocom site for the VA where they state "Pirate them or otherwise remove them from region". Feel entirely free to explain to the Galactic readership how Taggart is not "Lieing down with Pirates" or embarking on "Mutual defence" with Pirates or "Sharing" space with Pirates. And, after you ahve done all of those denials, have the same self-admitted Piratical Corporations come and do the same. Let us see them renounce their ways so that TTi can can "score a point" in that it does not do what if really does, and what everybody knows it does, which is have an alliance with piratical corporations. As I have said to your CEO: TTI members have ane xtra skill, that of being able to make big and easy targets of themselves "politically". You continue to uphold that tradition. (And for the RP blinded that is IC)
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:11:00 - [12] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 30/07/2003 17:15:16 Gaelen Thank you for that. I am glad to see you totally corroborate my statements that m0o lost one battleship, TTi lost one battleship, that a third "unknown" battleship was destroyed and that a number of cruisers were also lost. Having totally corroborated my entire release i am thus bewildered by your claim of "bias". Unfortunately you didn't actually state that you witnessed all of these events first hand - so I must ask you to retract them all unless you can provide clear proof of your witnessing them - and not just going off the "entirely unbiased" opinions and posts of other VA and TTi members? Hmm... hmm? Not too mention of ocurse that your own position remains entirely biased - being a sided member of TTi and a cohort of pirates. hmm..hmm?? - - - As to your claim that the Venal Alliance is not an Alliance with Pirates: Please feel free to explain why The Venal Alliance, that openly has self-admitted pirates as members, is not an Alliance with Pirates. Forgive my utter and total confusion with this, because, for the life of me, I cannot see how an alliance with pirates is NOT a piratical alliance. Did I just miss a change in definitions somewhere? Or was it the bit on the Neocom site for the VA where they state "Pirate them or otherwise remove them from region". Feel entirely free to explain to the Galactic readership how Taggart is not "Lieing down with Pirates" or embarking on "Mutual defence" with Pirates or "Sharing" space with Pirates. And, after you ahve done all of those denials, have the same self-admitted Piratical Corporations come and do the same. Let us see them renounce their ways so that TTi can can "score a point" in that it does not do what if really does, and what everybody knows it does, which is have an alliance with piratical corporations. As I have said to your CEO: TTI members have ane xtra skill, that of being able to make big and easy targets of themselves "politically". You continue to uphold that tradition. (And for the RP blinded that is IC)
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:17:00 - [13] DaSid - do we actually know this guys name? Neither m0o nor TTi (or at least their CEO) or my contacts as VA know who he is - other than "a miner who had a pass in venal".
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:17:00 - [14] DaSid - do we actually know this guys name? Neither m0o nor TTi (or at least their CEO) or my contacts as VA know who he is - other than "a miner who had a pass in venal".
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:30:00 - [15] Hiro - Yes. Nobody seems to know who the mystery Dominix pilot is. If "you" are allied with pirates then you are in a piratical alliance. The distinction of being anti-TTi though is obscured by the suggestion that stating RUS was the Aggresor in the SAvRUS conflict is "anti-RUS" or "pro-SA". We will state our opinion. And our opinion is that TTi are incredibly emabarrased by having to admit openly they are allied with pirates. Despite the fact that "everybody" knows this TTi continue to deny it. Why? Nobody knows. You are allied with pirates. Gods man! Just admit it and get over it.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:30:00 - [16] Hiro - Yes. Nobody seems to know who the mystery Dominix pilot is. If "you" are allied with pirates then you are in a piratical alliance. The distinction of being anti-TTi though is obscured by the suggestion that stating RUS was the Aggresor in the SAvRUS conflict is "anti-RUS" or "pro-SA". We will state our opinion. And our opinion is that TTi are incredibly emabarrased by having to admit openly they are allied with pirates. Despite the fact that "everybody" knows this TTi continue to deny it. Why? Nobody knows. You are allied with pirates. Gods man! Just admit it and get over it.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:57:00 - [17] Galaen you're a star. Not a very bright one, but a star nonetheless. "Sleeping with Pirates" - been thinking of a title for the interview with your CEO and you've given it right to me. I thank you. I take it that you also are in denial over being allied with piratical corporations and are just going to "skip" by that little bit? The "problem" with wanting to believe that "nobody" listens is that the opposite is true. the MDW report on TTi moving to Venal and allying itself with pirates is proven beyond any reasonable doubt. That TTi were outraged that this was made public is also factually shown on Gal-net. Over and over TTi want too present the "public" with a "goody-two-shoes" image but cannot do so whilst we continue to expose them for what they are: A corporation of low morals and scruples who will cavort with piratical corporations whilst openly denying any such actions are taking place. TTi offer their tacit support of Regionally active pirates through open alliance with them - you are providing sales on one hand and taking them away via the support of piracy on the other... intentionally or otherwise. None of which, none of which, is any real shock to the general public. The only "shock" to MDW is that TTi continues to deny it is allied with pirates despite the overwhelming evidence of being so - to the extent of being in the same political alliance as some. - - - - [OoC]Mustafa - Yeah - it will be interesting to see what happens after "hotguns" comes in. I wonder if m0o and others will become more cautious in where they go and what they do, not too mention "who fires first". Berd - yes i did think it was OoC - sry bout that[OoC] - - - <<<< if it is an editorial publication, should you not post a disclaimer stating that it is not "news", but opinion? >>>> Perhaps we can market an implant that allows people to make that distinction themselves? Some of us believe they can do so already.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 17:57:00 - [18] Galaen you're a star. Not a very bright one, but a star nonetheless. "Sleeping with Pirates" - been thinking of a title for the interview with your CEO and you've given it right to me. I thank you. I take it that you also are in denial over being allied with piratical corporations and are just going to "skip" by that little bit? The "problem" with wanting to believe that "nobody" listens is that the opposite is true. the MDW report on TTi moving to Venal and allying itself with pirates is proven beyond any reasonable doubt. That TTi were outraged that this was made public is also factually shown on Gal-net. Over and over TTi want too present the "public" with a "goody-two-shoes" image but cannot do so whilst we continue to expose them for what they are: A corporation of low morals and scruples who will cavort with piratical corporations whilst openly denying any such actions are taking place. TTi offer their tacit support of Regionally active pirates through open alliance with them - you are providing sales on one hand and taking them away via the support of piracy on the other... intentionally or otherwise. None of which, none of which, is any real shock to the general public. The only "shock" to MDW is that TTi continues to deny it is allied with pirates despite the overwhelming evidence of being so - to the extent of being in the same political alliance as some. - - - - [OoC]Mustafa - Yeah - it will be interesting to see what happens after "hotguns" comes in. I wonder if m0o and others will become more cautious in where they go and what they do, not too mention "who fires first". Berd - yes i did think it was OoC - sry bout that[OoC] - - - <<<< if it is an editorial publication, should you not post a disclaimer stating that it is not "news", but opinion? >>>> Perhaps we can market an implant that allows people to make that distinction themselves? Some of us believe they can do so already.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 18:25:00 - [19] Hiro - Im glad that you, at least, finally admit it. Perhaps you can help the rest of TTi to come out of the closet also? Maybe start some classes for it inside the Corp~.. you might even make some money from it. Now that we've got over that little hurdle we can let the public know that what TTi offer in sales with one hand they are helping their "Piratical friends" take back with the other, if through no other means than mutual support in defence and the sharing of wealth, items, 'roid belts and hunting grounds. Maybe a new TTi advertising campaign: "We give as TTi, we take as VA (nee "the Gang, Venal Guardians, Space Invaders)" I feel sure that your PR department can come up with something more "catchy".
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 18:25:00 - [20] Hiro - Im glad that you, at least, finally admit it. Perhaps you can help the rest of TTi to come out of the closet also? Maybe start some classes for it inside the Corp~.. you might even make some money from it. Now that we've got over that little hurdle we can let the public know that what TTi offer in sales with one hand they are helping their "Piratical friends" take back with the other, if through no other means than mutual support in defence and the sharing of wealth, items, 'roid belts and hunting grounds. Maybe a new TTi advertising campaign: "We give as TTi, we take as VA (nee "the Gang, Venal Guardians, Space Invaders)" I feel sure that your PR department can come up with something more "catchy".
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 18:39:00 - [21] "Stick a fork in Morkt, he's done." Gaelen - is this why the TTi membershiping is asking its own questions of Mulligan Defence now? Such as why do they have to provide their own ships for defence yet get no recompense if they lose them? And if so why does Mulligan Defence get the weekly Tax stipend from the members? Just where does it go eh? They get a percentage from guarding mining operations but nothing for guarding the Corporations honour? Meanwhile Mulligan Defence keeps getting their tax-revenue, the members keep supplying their own ships for battle and the "shareholder" keeps getting more and more concerned. I wonder who said all those things? Ah yes - TTi members, unhappy ones.... a bit like those whom TTi just happened to "fail to mention" to that they were going into an open alliance with pirates. I guess it must be nice being a mushroom in TTi - at least the "ecological conditions" for growth is ideal for them.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 18:39:00 - [22] "Stick a fork in Morkt, he's done." Gaelen - is this why the TTi membershiping is asking its own questions of Mulligan Defence now? Such as why do they have to provide their own ships for defence yet get no recompense if they lose them? And if so why does Mulligan Defence get the weekly Tax stipend from the members? Just where does it go eh? They get a percentage from guarding mining operations but nothing for guarding the Corporations honour? Meanwhile Mulligan Defence keeps getting their tax-revenue, the members keep supplying their own ships for battle and the "shareholder" keeps getting more and more concerned. I wonder who said all those things? Ah yes - TTi members, unhappy ones.... a bit like those whom TTi just happened to "fail to mention" to that they were going into an open alliance with pirates. I guess it must be nice being a mushroom in TTi - at least the "ecological conditions" for growth is ideal for them.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 18:44:00 - [23] Oops - Sorry. Damn "The Mole" for telling me whats going on. Bad Mole! Naughty Mole! "All TTi are happy like Hiro!"
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 18:44:00 - [24] Oops - Sorry. Damn "The Mole" for telling me whats going on. Bad Mole! Naughty Mole! "All TTi are happy like Hiro!"
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 18:50:00 - [25] [OoC:] Damn fine thread but will have to pick it up later folks - got to take dog out. I'm pleased (no - honestly) that we've finally seen TTi do something more than bare fangs... who said "a paper tiger no longer"> Whoever it was.... Spot on. I hope we can get too see some more good "politics" as stations and "system ownership" comes in - certianly the imminent changes in PvP "hotguns" will have some effect - hoepfully not negatively. Now - if only we can get TTi to act as honourably and lawfully as their PR claims.... Sry slipped IC then: Thanks to those partaking ( esp~ TTi guys) for the best political thread on the boards - hopefully I can pick it up later. [/OoC]
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 18:50:00 - [26] [OoC:] Damn fine thread but will have to pick it up later folks - got to take dog out. I'm pleased (no - honestly) that we've finally seen TTi do something more than bare fangs... who said "a paper tiger no longer"> Whoever it was.... Spot on. I hope we can get too see some more good "politics" as stations and "system ownership" comes in - certianly the imminent changes in PvP "hotguns" will have some effect - hoepfully not negatively. Now - if only we can get TTi to act as honourably and lawfully as their PR claims.... Sry slipped IC then: Thanks to those partaking ( esp~ TTi guys) for the best political thread on the boards - hopefully I can pick it up later. [/OoC]
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 19:54:00 - [27] Quote: morkt seems to have a big mouth, here let me stick something in it weeee What was that? TTI's Whipping Dogs can speak?
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 19:54:00 - [28] Quote: morkt seems to have a big mouth, here let me stick something in it weeee What was that? TTI's Whipping Dogs can speak?
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 21:07:00 - [29] <<<<< You're being a scumbag of a journalist at the moment, Morkt, trying to pressure people into classifying themselves with a misleading term. When you say they're in a "piratical alliance," most people will interpret that to mean that they're pirates, and soon you'll have people running around exclaiming, "TTI admits they're pirates! OMG!" They are not pirates and they do not contribute to the piracy activities of their neighbors. This has been clarified well by all parties involved. >>>>> So VA and TTi would have us believe no doubts Setec. There are "alliances" however that manage not only to avoid doing "shady deals" with pirates but exclude them outright and also any individual members with low security ratings or proven history of piracy. Irrespective of TTi's active "help" to pirate Corporations their tacit mutual-defence-policy of the VA can do nothing but help SI and the other pirates in Venal. What does teh poor trader who is robbed in Pure-Blind think now when he knows that his search for justice means also fighting TTi? Or are you telling us that "anybody" with a gripe against the pirates in the Venal Alliance will NOT benefit from the mutual support of TTi and all the other "so called" law abiding corporations within it? Why, precisely, cannot TTi take a leaf from the SPC book and seek to actively expell pirates? Do we really think that the might of the TTi resources is so badly trained as to have to rely on the shelter of pirate corporations? And do you, or any other pirate now wheltering in TTi's shadow, really think that what you gain from this "alliance" isn't immediately obvious? Call it "scumbag reporting" all you like, the reality is that Piracy benefits from the portective cloak of TTi and visa-versa. The individuals robbed by "The Gang" "Space Invaders" and assorted Whipping Dogs are now even more inviolate than before. As exemplified by those very same dogs called to heal to helpt defend TTi. Oh the bitter irony of it!
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 21:07:00 - [30] <<<<< You're being a scumbag of a journalist at the moment, Morkt, trying to pressure people into classifying themselves with a misleading term. When you say they're in a "piratical alliance," most people will interpret that to mean that they're pirates, and soon you'll have people running around exclaiming, "TTI admits they're pirates! OMG!" They are not pirates and they do not contribute to the piracy activities of their neighbors. This has been clarified well by all parties involved. >>>>> So VA and TTi would have us believe no doubts Setec. There are "alliances" however that manage not only to avoid doing "shady deals" with pirates but exclude them outright and also any individual members with low security ratings or proven history of piracy. Irrespective of TTi's active "help" to pirate Corporations their tacit mutual-defence-policy of the VA can do nothing but help SI and the other pirates in Venal. What does teh poor trader who is robbed in Pure-Blind think now when he knows that his search for justice means also fighting TTi? Or are you telling us that "anybody" with a gripe against the pirates in the Venal Alliance will NOT benefit from the mutual support of TTi and all the other "so called" law abiding corporations within it? Why, precisely, cannot TTi take a leaf from the SPC book and seek to actively expell pirates? Do we really think that the might of the TTi resources is so badly trained as to have to rely on the shelter of pirate corporations? And do you, or any other pirate now wheltering in TTi's shadow, really think that what you gain from this "alliance" isn't immediately obvious? Call it "scumbag reporting" all you like, the reality is that Piracy benefits from the portective cloak of TTi and visa-versa. The individuals robbed by "The Gang" "Space Invaders" and assorted Whipping Dogs are now even more inviolate than before. As exemplified by those very same dogs called to heal to helpt defend TTi. Oh the bitter irony of it!
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 21:38:00 - [31] <<< Not gonna work. >> Well, we will see. Somehow I think that the average Galactic resident will be somewhat put-out to know that after Space Invaders robs them, TTi will stop them from gaining retribution. Unless, of course, TTi come out with a clear and categorical statement that they will not interfere with any law-abiding citizens seeking retribution for piracy in Venal or anywhere else. That this will probably render their deal with the Venal Alliance invlaid (or at least for the "tiny minority or pirates) seems to be a bit of a Catch 22. I suppose the way too remedy it is for the VA to simply kick out the pirates.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 21:38:00 - [32] <<< Not gonna work. >> Well, we will see. Somehow I think that the average Galactic resident will be somewhat put-out to know that after Space Invaders robs them, TTi will stop them from gaining retribution. Unless, of course, TTi come out with a clear and categorical statement that they will not interfere with any law-abiding citizens seeking retribution for piracy in Venal or anywhere else. That this will probably render their deal with the Venal Alliance invlaid (or at least for the "tiny minority or pirates) seems to be a bit of a Catch 22. I suppose the way too remedy it is for the VA to simply kick out the pirates.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 22:37:00 - [33] Well, now that Hiro has covered the response for the TTI pre-schools how about the rest of TTi?
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 22:37:00 - [34] Well, now that Hiro has covered the response for the TTI pre-schools how about the rest of TTi?
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.30 23:22:00 - [35] Hiro - I'll take the time to answer in detail and the question is also on the Gal-Summit forum. FWIW some regional Alliances manage to not only do without pirates but actively avoid them and , indeed, any indivduals below a certain sec level. What's "Interesting" with TTi is that for a "supposedly" lawful corporation its allowed itself to be manouvered into an alliance which, if it sticks by it, it must defend known pirates. This is a paradox and how TTi resolves it, both publically and within its own ranks, is interesting. It is also the largest single political crisis in EVE right now... it is "hot property". The situation is not the same for SA (Stain Alliance) fairly simply because they don't really give a monkies what anybody thinks or that they cavort with pirates. The SPC are "clean cut" through and through and represent a truly lawful "regional alliance". The Fountain Alliance hasn't even gotten off the ground yet in reality - if its even around by the end of next week it would be an achievement. Thus - only "poor old TTi" present us with an on-going drama. Does the Corporation who, by needs, sells its goods to "everybody else" stay on side of good - or does it effectively say "Please buy from us - just remember that if Pirates XY and Z attack and kill you, you musn't come after them anywhere near us , indeed if you do, we will attack you and defend them." In all fairness to TTi it is almost without a shadow of a doubt they they simple failed to think about this. They didn't realise they were making their own Catch 22 and publically walking right into it. Ironically, for the membership, they are "only in this mess" because Mulligan Defense couldn't protect them inside Empire Space, ultimately the Empires and CONCORD are too blame, no doubts there, yet the Leadership of TTi have not solved the problems only exacerbated them. TTi could have chosen to base themselves in another Region but they opted for Venal and they opted to ally with known pirates - thus creating their own problem. [OoC]For the rest of us mere Plebians we are simply standing on the sidelines watching the drama unfold and with it watching EVE come alive as a living breathing "world". Just bear in mind that in no other MOG could this happen on such a "global" scale. This is THE quintisntial advantage of a single-instance game, what affects one affects us all, it is not the mere "happenings" on another shard that nobody cares about.[/OoC] The "future" for TTi is one where they either are with pirates, a deliberate chosen course of action presumeably backed by their members, or it choices some other future where it maintains its basis as a law-abiding Corporation within EVE. As the single largest Corporation in EVE of course we are all interested. "TTi shivers and we all catch a cold" What the "man in the street" needs to know is: "When we come to buy things from TTi, do we get to take them home or do we just hand them over to Space Invaders on the way out?" For certain, if TTi stick with this alliance, anybody trying to get justice from SI at the point of a gun will find themselves also facing off against TTi. Or will they? Frankly - i think folks might just want to know?
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.30 23:22:00 - [36] Hiro - I'll take the time to answer in detail and the question is also on the Gal-Summit forum. FWIW some regional Alliances manage to not only do without pirates but actively avoid them and , indeed, any indivduals below a certain sec level. What's "Interesting" with TTi is that for a "supposedly" lawful corporation its allowed itself to be manouvered into an alliance which, if it sticks by it, it must defend known pirates. This is a paradox and how TTi resolves it, both publically and within its own ranks, is interesting. It is also the largest single political crisis in EVE right now... it is "hot property". The situation is not the same for SA (Stain Alliance) fairly simply because they don't really give a monkies what anybody thinks or that they cavort with pirates. The SPC are "clean cut" through and through and represent a truly lawful "regional alliance". The Fountain Alliance hasn't even gotten off the ground yet in reality - if its even around by the end of next week it would be an achievement. Thus - only "poor old TTi" present us with an on-going drama. Does the Corporation who, by needs, sells its goods to "everybody else" stay on side of good - or does it effectively say "Please buy from us - just remember that if Pirates XY and Z attack and kill you, you musn't come after them anywhere near us , indeed if you do, we will attack you and defend them." In all fairness to TTi it is almost without a shadow of a doubt they they simple failed to think about this. They didn't realise they were making their own Catch 22 and publically walking right into it. Ironically, for the membership, they are "only in this mess" because Mulligan Defense couldn't protect them inside Empire Space, ultimately the Empires and CONCORD are too blame, no doubts there, yet the Leadership of TTi have not solved the problems only exacerbated them. TTi could have chosen to base themselves in another Region but they opted for Venal and they opted to ally with known pirates - thus creating their own problem. [OoC]For the rest of us mere Plebians we are simply standing on the sidelines watching the drama unfold and with it watching EVE come alive as a living breathing "world". Just bear in mind that in no other MOG could this happen on such a "global" scale. This is THE quintisntial advantage of a single-instance game, what affects one affects us all, it is not the mere "happenings" on another shard that nobody cares about.[/OoC] The "future" for TTi is one where they either are with pirates, a deliberate chosen course of action presumeably backed by their members, or it choices some other future where it maintains its basis as a law-abiding Corporation within EVE. As the single largest Corporation in EVE of course we are all interested. "TTi shivers and we all catch a cold" What the "man in the street" needs to know is: "When we come to buy things from TTi, do we get to take them home or do we just hand them over to Space Invaders on the way out?" For certain, if TTi stick with this alliance, anybody trying to get justice from SI at the point of a gun will find themselves also facing off against TTi. Or will they? Frankly - i think folks might just want to know?
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.31 00:07:00 - [37] Quote: From your own website, Morkt: Quote: BBBB is totally apolitical. What this means in practice is that we treat all people as potential clients and do not distinguish on part of Race or Religion or Security Status or Corporation. Only those individuals or Corporations who actively attack us do we disdain from trading with. From all I have ever seen, you most assuredly do not adhere to this philosophy. I am not saying you actively are pro-Pirate or actively anti-Corporation, but to date I have seen little if anything to indicate you even try to adhere to this, and in your "reporting" you obviously don't adhere to "normal" journalistic standards. Missed this on first run through sorry. You're quoting BBBB info for "Morkt's Defence Weekly" - two different things Gaelen. The Big-Bang Burger Bar is a food chain with shareholders, board of directors, chefs and so forth. Im not sure how a Burger can be either pro-pirate or anti-corporation but either way it has nothing really to do with MDW. Intriguing thought though.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.31 00:07:00 - [38] Quote: From your own website, Morkt: Quote: BBBB is totally apolitical. What this means in practice is that we treat all people as potential clients and do not distinguish on part of Race or Religion or Security Status or Corporation. Only those individuals or Corporations who actively attack us do we disdain from trading with. From all I have ever seen, you most assuredly do not adhere to this philosophy. I am not saying you actively are pro-Pirate or actively anti-Corporation, but to date I have seen little if anything to indicate you even try to adhere to this, and in your "reporting" you obviously don't adhere to "normal" journalistic standards. Missed this on first run through sorry. You're quoting BBBB info for "Morkt's Defence Weekly" - two different things Gaelen. The Big-Bang Burger Bar is a food chain with shareholders, board of directors, chefs and so forth. Im not sure how a Burger can be either pro-pirate or anti-corporation but either way it has nothing really to do with MDW. Intriguing thought though.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.31 00:13:00 - [39] Quote: Morkt, stop the soap opera... Damn! Fair credit to TTi - Alliance only a week old, if that, and they've got you boys trained perfectly. Sit! Roll Over! Good boy Morph-y-worphy!
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.31 00:13:00 - [40] Quote: Morkt, stop the soap opera... Damn! Fair credit to TTi - Alliance only a week old, if that, and they've got you boys trained perfectly. Sit! Roll Over! Good boy Morph-y-worphy!
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.31 00:13:00 - [41] Quote: Morkt, stop the soap opera... Damn! Fair credit to TTi - Alliance only a week old, if that, and they've got you boys trained perfectly. Sit! Roll Over! Good boy Morph-y-worphy!
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.31 01:05:00 - [42] Quote: Morkt Drak, what the hell are you doing here? Stay of the thread. Lol. Hey - I got ditched in the bidding for the catering contract ok? That sort of thing breeds resentment.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.31 01:05:00 - [43] Quote: Morkt Drak, what the hell are you doing here? Stay of the thread. Lol. Hey - I got ditched in the bidding for the catering contract ok? That sort of thing breeds resentment.
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.31 01:05:00 - [44] Quote: Morkt Drak, what the hell are you doing here? Stay of the thread. Lol. Hey - I got ditched in the bidding for the catering contract ok? That sort of thing breeds resentment.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.07.31 01:28:00 - [45] Ulstan As to CONCORD - well we know how totally corupt they are - you'd have trouble finding anybody who ISNT already put out by them. I feel sure that your post has reassured eveybody that yourselves and TTi have a good working relationship though. Ever think of the impression that all these pirates posting in support of TTi gives a distinctly "odd" impression? "There are no pirates in Venal!"
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.31 01:28:00 - [46] Ulstan As to CONCORD - well we know how totally corupt they are - you'd have trouble finding anybody who ISNT already put out by them. I feel sure that your post has reassured eveybody that yourselves and TTi have a good working relationship though. Ever think of the impression that all these pirates posting in support of TTi gives a distinctly "odd" impression? "There are no pirates in Venal!"
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security	Posted - 2003.07.31 01:28:00 - [47] Ulstan As to CONCORD - well we know how totally corupt they are - you'd have trouble finding anybody who ISNT already put out by them. I feel sure that your post has reassured eveybody that yourselves and TTi have a good working relationship though. Ever think of the impression that all these pirates posting in support of TTi gives a distinctly "odd" impression? "There are no pirates in Venal!"

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